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#1 Duckworth

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Posted 03 July 2006 - 08:35 PM

Hey guys, I need 650 one inch sq. head bolts with a hammered look to them and have googled it to death, any help would be greatly APPRECIATED!

If I can't find a supplier I was thinking of using a stock 1" sq. head, heat them and mash the hell out of em with a hammer yuck! Any ideas?

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#2 Marc

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Posted 04 July 2006 - 05:50 AM

A couple thoughts:
Instead of forging down the shank, how about forging a square head out of a hex head?

Or, get some 1" carriage bolts and cut off the round part of the head. Carriage bolts have that square section just under the round part.

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Posted 04 July 2006 - 06:01 AM

Maybe these would work

http://www.kingmetal...e Bolts*32161@@

There machine bolts with a sq head and the company is REAL good to deal with. They also have them in a wood screw.
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Posted 04 July 2006 - 07:30 AM

Duck, I'm pretty sure you are going to have to make those. The only ones I know of are 1/4 inch.

If it were me, I'd make a reverse die, drop the bolt down into a small piece of pipe, and let the flypress go to work.<img src=' />

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Posted 04 July 2006 - 10:03 AM

If it were me, I'd make a reverse die, drop the bolt down into a small piece of pipe, and let the flypress go to work.<img src=' />


I wouldn't want that job.. 650 times?.... <img src=' />
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Posted 04 July 2006 - 11:42 AM

I didn't say it would be fun. <img src=' /> But since you can't buy them, you either do it or go without.

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Posted 04 July 2006 - 12:04 PM

now taking bids on one inch square hammered bolts[Laugh]

thanks folks for the replies, we'll see whjat happens

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Posted 04 July 2006 - 01:03 PM

Okay, I know this is an art forum, but I also know everthing from pvc to how to stack steel has been discussed,, so here I go with the bolt deal. I'm pretty sure I can get a 1"sq head A36 bolt (I'll know for sure tomorrow). I was thinkin of hanging a 60lb electric jack hammer from the ceiling (with a spring assist) build a quick fixture (Matts deal) to drop the bolt into and let hammer beat the crap out of em, my worry is if they can be done cold cuz dang I don't want to have to heat em. <img src=' />

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Posted 04 July 2006 - 05:10 PM

I'm sure it would work but how would it look? Are you trying to peen them like a rivet head?

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Posted 04 July 2006 - 06:36 PM

If you can batch heat them it should only take about 3 solid days of smakin' the crap out of them to get it done. <img src=' />

[Happy]Think of all the stress you would rid of.<img src=' />

If I read the post right, only the head has to be one inch. I would call King metals and ask them how big the head on this part number is, 13-03000-392

The next size up is 1 3/16" on the head. This could be real close.

Other wise, take a grade 8 bolt welded to a piece of 3/4" stock like a hammer, grind some texture in the bolt, place it on the heated head of the one you need to make and smack with a hammer. <img src=' />

Not fun, time comsuming and hot work. The alterative is pay someone else to do it. <img src=' /><img src=' />

Good luck
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Posted 04 July 2006 - 07:02 PM

Well , the head has to be 1"sq. by about high with an old hand hammered look to it, I'm afraid your right..Spider either pay to have some one else do it or do like you say, batch and beat (you know how sometimes you know the truth but just don't want to own up to it) I've looked at the 13-3000 part # but that's too fancy..you'd think somebody would have something like this though would't cha

It's been dang near 100 degrees around here lately...should drop a few pounds on this deal <img src=' />

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Posted 04 July 2006 - 08:41 PM

Duck,

I know that feeling, spent most all day either in the sun or in front of the forge. Temp was only 91 or so here, but the humidity was around 60%. [Evil]

Trying to get 2 projects done by the weekend. One is a yard swing and the other is a sofa table. The wood on the swing is sucking a lot of paint! Even with a sealer. [Thinking]

Good luck with yours, if you can pull off 50 an hour, it will only take 13 hours to git r done.

This is where a punch press would be handy.
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Posted 05 July 2006 - 12:07 PM

duck,I dont know if these are what youre looking for but check out this website,the search on it is kind of general but I think they have what you're looking for I have a couple catalouges that I think have what you're talking about,they have nails like that for sure also search for antique square head bolts on your search engine I know alot of antique furniture restorers and door makers carry that sort of stuff
www.vandykes.com

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Posted 05 July 2006 - 06:39 PM

Good luck with this one Duck.

I bought some square head bolts through Fastenall when I rebuilt my power hammer. They were 5/8" machine bolts and had a head that matched the size you are talking about. As for the hammered look, I agree with the others that doing it hot will probably be easiest. Of course, the idea of making some kind of top die for your fly press might be nice. Even if it were still done hot, it would make it one blow instead of many.

Here is a link to the fastenall site that is set on the square head bolt finder. Just use the drop downs to find your particular bolt. http://www.fastenal....in_dim_search=1

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Posted 05 July 2006 - 06:43 PM

ordered 650 bolts today and willhave to mash em myself....sooo
I'm bolt committed, but then ya'll new I was nuts anyway

Thanks for the help [Thinking][Evil]

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Posted 06 July 2006 - 02:32 PM

you 'll be done before you know it.

once you get going 50 an hour should be an easy number to reach, I had to do a similar job a while back and tried to find an easy way to do it, in the end it would of been quicker just to start hammering. Its the hand look they want and hopefully paying for. at a couple bucks above the bolt costs ( i hope your getting at least that) you can make an easy $100 an hour.

just make sure your forge is setup well before you light it so its easy to grab the next bolt and to restock. Make sure you have a metal bin or can to drop the hot bolts in without having to take a step.

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Posted 13 July 2006 - 07:20 AM

Okay, so you guys don't like my jokes, I get it!!
Pook, Spider, etc. you?re right it shouldn't be that big a deal to batch and hammer the bolts, I did one with the torch just to see, and no biggie. Finally got started on this deal,,,yeehaa.

You guys like pics? here's one of my little girl Tootsie, looks like she thinks I'm nuts too doesn't it.

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Posted 13 July 2006 - 07:48 AM

Hey Duck, if it is not to late, or for future reference, try

www.customforgedhardware.com

I beleive it is done by Kayne & Sons.

They have hammered lag bolts, and depending on the time that you have they might be able to knock out 650 of the size that you need for a reasonable, or unreasonable price.
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Posted 14 July 2006 - 03:38 PM

Another way of making standard hardware fastners have that hammered look on the head is to use your welder.

I use a mig, (with an inductance control to flatten the puddle) because I add a little material to mound up the head a little, without getting in the way of the square or hex head.

Drop the bolt in hole, work your puddle from the inside out, not overflowing the edge, and while the head is still glowing, pound the texture onto it. Simple and fast. Best done without zinc coatings on the bolts for the fumes, but still can be done. I don't see why someone couldn't do 3 or 4 a minute, if not 1 every 10 seconds.

I will have to try it with a TIG torch, I know it will work just as well to heat up the bolt head.
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